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Post by Henrik on Tue Aug 24 2010, 13:10

There has been a growing controversy surrounding the planned construction of a mosque in New York. To be honest I was angered when I first read about the plan, thinking it was an unnecessary provocation by the muslim community. The way it was being presented in the media was that they wanted to build a mosque at ground zero. The way I interpreted that was obviously that the mosque was to be on the same exact spot that the World Trade Centre once stood.

Obviously it is impossible to separate Islam from the September 11 attacks. Regardless of what has been said by some supporters of the project, the alleged attackers Al Qaeda are always presenting their actions as being in the name of Islam, and as attacks against the “infidels”. As a result, the project of building a place of worship for Islam on the very site of the most mediated attack on the Western world by muslim extremists is nothing but the ultimate provocation.

The only problem is that the mosque is not planned on ground zero, but rather two blocks away. Basically this is a plan to build a mosque on lower Manhattan, and for me that changes things completely. To be honest, if the media had presented this project from the outset as a plan to build a mosque on lower Manhattan I really don’t think many would have paid much notice. Instead we saw headlines such as mosque planned at ground zero. Regardless of if this is a result of media manipulation or not, to me the media is responsible for blowing this way out of proportion, and obviously all extremists groups will jump on the occasions to fan the flames.

As the situation is today, this all comes down to an ultimate victory of the extreme right in the US. They have managed to capitalize fully on this in the media, and re-ignited the flame against the foreign enemy. After WWII the focal point was the communists, and anybody who was not on the extreme right was obviously a communist. Reading some of the comments made by people such as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich one can certainly find many parallels to Joseph McCarthy. It seems their tirades are being heard by the masses in the US who are hungry for a focal point of their anger and frustration. A recent poll showed that 20% of Americans believe that President Obama is a muslim. WTF!?

I would not have wanted the construction of any religious symbol at ground zero, be it muslim, christian, jewish or anything else. However, building a place to worship a religion in lower Manhattan shouldn’t matter at all. Unfortunately it is too late to try and change the general opinion, and the best would be to stop the project completely, even if this would imply that a group of extremists would win a battle. Ultimately it would lead to people forgetting this unfortunate incident.

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by Gelert on Tue Aug 24 2010, 13:43

Henrik wrote:A recent poll showed that 20% of Americans believe that President Obama is a muslim.
That's weird...!

I thought that Obama was only 15% Muslim.

Whatever.

Shades of The Crusades much! Christian Knights building Churches in Jerusalem - right in the heartland of the "non-infidel"...the moor things change, the moor they stay the same, er, or something... scratch

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Post by TopContender on Tue Aug 24 2010, 14:21

It will be almost impossible to get that mosque built.
1. No bank in town will fund it.
2. No union will build it.
3. The building board is run by Jews.

Finally, it will only piss off the locals and create problems. Regardless of what is right or wrong that mosque would be a beacon for victims families, and other protestors to get out their anger. Only the hardcore Muslims would attend, and the first time one member speaks out, all Hell would break loose. I would expect Jewish lighting within a few months.

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Post by H8R on Tue Aug 24 2010, 17:29

I thought this was America....First Amendment, and the whole freedom of religion thing.

I think the biggest FU, would be to the terrorist's by building and embracing a Muslim Mosque.

Of course all the right wing nutters love the constitution as long as it fits their narrow minded view....when it doesn't...it's against God, or anti-American.

If they can't build the mosque...I'd be for removing all house's or worship anywhere near the WTC site. Fair is fair.

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Post by Gelert on Tue Aug 24 2010, 20:25

H8R wrote:If they can't build the mosque...I'd be for removing all house's or worship anywhere near the WTC site. Fair is fair.
I've got a Flight Simm you can borrow for practice... Suspect

So - just what is a "House of Worship"...?
I'm religious about beer, so that's all pubs and taverns out then.
Some people are food zealots.
Then cinemas must go, just in case they choose to show Star Wars and the Jedi religion.
Worshippers of the Hairy Goblet...?
Banks...?
Chemists - just in case the Amish etc get upset...?
Black Panthers, White Supremacists, Red Indians, Gay Clubs, Mods & Rockers, Vegetarians, Omnivores, PC-versus-Mac users, s'trewth...

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by Henrik on Tue Aug 24 2010, 20:54

Just shut down all of lower Manhattan!

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by H8R on Tue Aug 24 2010, 22:10

Gelert wrote:
H8R wrote:If they can't build the mosque...I'd be for removing all house's or worship anywhere near the WTC site. Fair is fair.
I've got a Flight Simm you can borrow for practice... Suspect

So - just what is a "House of Worship"...?
I'm religious about beer, so that's all pubs and taverns out then.
Some people are food zealots.
Then cinemas must go, just in case they choose to show Star Wars and the Jedi religion.
Worshippers of the Hairy Goblet...?
Banks...?
Chemists - just in case the Amish etc get upset...?
Black Panthers, White Supremacists, Red Indians, Gay Clubs, Mods & Rockers, Vegetarians, Omnivores, PC-versus-Mac users, s'trewth...

How about the simple way of deciding....all of the religions that don't pay taxes...close them all near the WTC.

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by gueuzeman on Tue Aug 24 2010, 22:45

Announced over 6 months ago- just turned into a wedge issue for the conservatives desparate as they have no platform or policy to run on.

Second- in the interests of tolerance on each side of this community center should be built a bar-b-q pork rib restaurant and a gay bar. Across the street should be a hebrew temple, a catholic church and a Wican coven for witches.

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Post by TopContender on Wed Aug 25 2010, 01:04

I think this is more than just a Republican issue. I think a ton of Jews (almost all left wing), and locals were upset about the issue. I know a few very left wing New Yorkers that are against the mosque.

That said, the right did run with it for political capital. The way it was presented was that it was on ground zero, or across the street.

Face it, we are 10 years post 9/11, and they still can't even decide what to build on the site. That entire area is a clusterfuck, and torching lower Manhatten could be a nice way to solve some problems. We can start with Wall Street, then the UN just to balance the torching around.

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Post by H8R on Wed Aug 25 2010, 05:09

Please cite for your response "I think a ton of Jews (almost all left wing), and locals were upset about the issue."

What about Freedom of Religion, Eminent Domain not to mention Private Property.

Frankly the right has been polluting the whole thing including their self appointed leader Rush Limbaugh.

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by Danny Boy on Wed Aug 25 2010, 05:13

As I've said before, the sooner World see's american as as as country of religious bigots and racists, and then the sooner the country will be ridiculed (even more than it is now) and, hopefully, cast into a international vacuum.

The World would be a far better place without america and it's warmongering policies.

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Post by Danny Boy on Wed Aug 25 2010, 05:18

H8R wrote:Please cite for your response "I think a ton of Jews (almost all left wing), and locals were upset about the issue."

What about Freedom of Religion, Eminent Domain not to mention Private Property.

Frankly the right has been polluting the whole thing including their self appointed leader Rush Limbaugh.

Jon Stewart, a left wing Jew, made Fox News look stupid (not the hardest thing in the World I know) with there vilifying of the Kingdom Foundation on his 23rd August show.

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Post by eso on Wed Aug 25 2010, 05:34

The Islamic Community center in lower Manhattan has been there since 1979. They want to build a newer facility with property they already own.

So group of moderate American Muslims want's to build not really a Mosque and not really at ground zero with their own money on their own private property.

If this were an X-stain or jewish group it would be a complete non-issue. The opposition is unconstitutional and anti-American.

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Re: Mosque in Manhattan

Post by Werner on Wed Aug 25 2010, 11:52

eso wrote:

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Post by TopContender on Wed Aug 25 2010, 13:33

[quote="Danny Boy"]
H8R wrote:Please cite for your response "I think a ton of Jews (almost all left wing), and locals were upset about the mosque.

I talked to a few locals, some Jew, some union, and a teacher. Interesting note is that the ADL is against the location not the idea.

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