Hungary, get rid of it

Shit track, shit result, and the biggest load of shit, schumaker, he has to get banned for at least 5 races for that stunt he pulled on Rubin's, willing to kill someone for one point, the sooner Brawn and the fat kraut realise he is a waste of space and give the drive to a decent driver the better (I have not even mentioned the 5 places he gained by going off the track at the first corner).

Got to feel sorry for Vettel, Alonso gifted another position.

Piss poor race and shows all that is wrong with F1 today

Vettel is a tool. Too me he seems to be a petulant child. Weber to me seems to be a classic Aussie.... like... "No worries mate, she'll be 'right."


$chumacher is the Father of toolish driving practices. It seems like Vettel is a tool is patterning himself after his fellow Reichstag driver.

Fuck yea to Barrichello for passing $chumacher.

In closing I'd like to say Vettel is a tool.

RUBINHO!!!!!!! :-D

So- exactly what kind of tool is Vettel? Cresent wrench, pliers, or swervedriver?



Me?- I missed the 'show'.

Don't forget Vettel has only just turned 23. Imagine being the centre of world motorsport at that age, it's not easy, as Lewis has shown.


As for the Hungaroring, I think it has become a good circuit over the years. When it first came to be in 1986, it was way too slow for the cars.

Now, the cars are supreme around it, the speed they take through some of those corners is amazing. Davidson was saying how a lot of driver's enjoy the circuit too, very challenging especially over a race distance.

Danny Boy wrote:Hungary, get rid of it

I was hungary earlier, but having czeched the fridge I've now got rid of it.






So - the Dark Sith Lord would have been Black Flagged, but there weren't enough laps left...

Schumacher was nearly black-flagged

By Pablo Elizalde Tuesday, August 3rd 2010, 10:34 GMT http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85838


Former F1 driver Derek Warwick says Michael Schumacher came close to being disqualified from the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Warwick, who joined the stewards' panel for the Hungaroring race, said the reason why Schumacher was not black-flagged for his move on Rubens Barrichello was because there was no time left in the race.

"Throwing a black flag would have shown a better example to our young drivers," Warwick told BBC's Radio 5 Live.

"But by the time we got the video evidence we ran out of time and we had to do it retrospectively."

Schumacher was given a 10-place grid penalty for the next race in Belgium for illegitimately impeding Barrichello.

Warwick said he had been disappointed by how Schumacher had handled the affair when interviewed after the race.

"We interviewed Rubens and Michael and it was kind of disappointing how Michael handled it, and we had no option but to give him a 10-place penalty," added Warwick.

"If we had enough laps [we could have disqualified him] but you have to have video evidence and make sure all four stewards are in agreement."

He added: "You have to view the evidence you have and you could disqualify him from the next Grand Prix, or two Grands Prix.

"But we felt a 10-place penalty is a big penalty to carry for Spa. It kind of puts him out of the race at Spa, and hopefully he will learn from that and remember that the new stewards will not tolerate that driving."

On Monday Schumacher apologised to Barrichello for his move.


After watching Norbert Haug on the BBC defending MS's er, "performance", I've lost a whole rake of respect for Mercedes in general.






But, irony much... in the latest F1 Racing magazine (August 2010 #174, published early July 2010), Alan Henry wrote in his column Finishing Straight:
"A final thought. If these devices to improve overtaking are successful (referring to the proposed moveable rear wings for next year), when will the FIA ban the 'one move' legitimised balking manoeuvre invented by Michael Schumacher? If we're going to improve overtaking, we need to improve driving standards as well."

Alan Henry's words, not mine... yet words written probably over a month before this race...!

Beautiful stuff, Gelert. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. What was new was having to do it against Rubens. In the old days of course he would not have been allowed to challenge the position. The Toad would hit the button.......

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There's been a widespread indignation among the Schufosi. For some reason they feel their hero has been victimized by the biased stewards this year, first Damon Hill, now Warwick apparently had old scores to settle.

RDD wrote:There's been a widespread indignation among the Schufosi. For some reason they feel their hero has been victimized by the biased stewards this year, first Damon Hill, now Warwick apparently had old scores to settle.

I like Schumi but he went way too far in Hungary and deserves the penalty. In Monaco he was unlucky the regulations were ambiguous.

I wouldn't bother listening to the rubbish any driver fan boy says....

PLAYLIFE wrote:
I like Schumi but he went way too far in Hungary and deserves the penalty. In Monaco he was unlucky the regulations were ambiguous.

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What about his reckless driving in Canada, I (and many commentators) thought that his driving there, was one of the worst displays by an experienced driver, ever seen on a race track!!!!

Just finished reading "Senna vs Prost" by Malcolm Folley. Paints Senna in a not so nice light really, wouldn't let any body pass him without first putting him off the track. Very enlightening read, obviously the young apprentice learned quite well from his master.

In terms of Montreal, I saw nothing wrong with that.

Hungary, of course was unacceptable.

I am hoping, probably beyond hope, that next years car will be better suited to him. Obviously he can not get the tires to work for him.

Werner wrote:Obviously he can not get the tires to work for him.

Maybe he's spelling the word 'tyre' incorrectly...?

Werner wrote:
In terms of Montreal, I saw nothing wrong with that.

Hungary, of course was unacceptable.

I am hoping, probably beyond hope, that next years car will be better suited to him. Obviously he can not get the tires to work for him.

I share the same opinion, Montreal I thought was just hard racing. Hungary was awful - Webber did the same thing in Mt Fuji 2008 to Massa yet didn't get any attention whatsoever. Not only that, but Webber tried to put Massa into TWO walls in the same move (pit wall, then pit exit wall).

Schumi gets more scrutiny of course, 1 because he is a superb driver and 2 because he has a reputation.

[quote="PLAYLIFE"]

Werner wrote:
because he is a superb driver

Rosberg must be some sort of god on that reckoning, being he has decimated M$ when driving against him this season, even though this seasons second car (with the longer chasis) was made to suit M$ to the disadvantage of Rosberg.

Maybe Mercedes should reintroduce the support driver rules that MS has enjoyed throughout his entire career, then Rosberg can hold up the back-end of the field while M$ drives of into the distance (admittedly in 10 to 14 place due to his inability to get a descent qualifying position), and Ross Brawn can say, if only we had a car suitable for the "Worlds Best Ever Driver" he would be WDC again.

Personally, for me, F1 is inferentially better since M$ and the tactics (slowing the field with his second driver) are now no longer a part of F1.

As for his driving at Montreal, I will go along with 90% of the commentators who said it was shameful.

[quote="Danny Boy"]

PLAYLIFE wrote:

Werner wrote:
because he is a superb driver

Rosberg must be some sort of god on that reckoning, being he has decimated M$ when driving against him this season, even though this seasons second car (with the longer chasis) was made to suit M$ to the disadvantage of Rosberg.

Maybe Mercedes should reintroduce the support driver rules that MS has enjoyed throughout his entire career, then Rosberg can hold up the back-end of the field while M$ drives of into the distance (admittedly in 10 to 14 place due to his inability to get a descent qualifying position), and Ross Brawn can say, if only we had a car suitable for the "Worlds Best Ever Driver" he would be WDC again.

Personally, for me, F1 is inferentially better since M$ and the tactics (slowing the field with his second driver) are now no longer a part of F1.

As for his driving at Montreal, I will go along with 90% of the commentators who said it was shameful.

When speaking of Schumi I was talking of his 'first career', not this comeback thing where he's just bored with life...


When did Schumi have a team-mate who slowed down the field? The only time I remember is Irvine in Suzuka 1998. For most of his career, his team-mates couldn't hold a candle to him for whatever reasons. For his team-mate to hold up the field, his team-mate would have had to have been qualifying alongside him and finish 2nd. That only happened in 2002 and 2004 with some sort of consistancy.

1991 - Piquet couldn't live with him
1992 - Brundle challenged
1993 - Patrese was past it
1994 - Untouchable
1995 - Untouchable
1996 - Untouchable
1997 - Untouchable
1998 - Untouchable
1999 - would have won the WDC if not for his accident
2000 - Rubens was slightly better than Irvine, still no contest
2001 - Rubens still not up to it
2002 - First time his team-mate finished runner-up to him in the WDC
2003 - Rubens nowhere
2004 - The closest his team-mate finished to him in the WDC...still 34 points behind end of season (winning first 12 of 13 races!!)
2005 - Out performed Rubens convincingly in a bad car
2006 - Beat Massa although signs he was past his peak were obvious


I suppose in qualifying his team-mates would intentionally go slower than him so he could claim pole too? All 68 times? Or just the 58 with Ferrari?

And same goes for the fastest laps? All 76 of them or just the 53 with Ferrari?

I well remember Irvine slowing his car by over 2 seconds a lap to hold back Fisichella in his first season (Driving a Jordan Canada? 1997) whilst MS was having his first pit stop), so that pre-dates you for a year. I well remember the race because it was when I logged onto the old dive, and used the name Danny Boy to express my disgust at an Irishman who sold his soul for the Kings Shilling.

I would have thought when you out-qualify you team-mate by a fraction of a second, and then pull away at over a second a lap, it would have been self explanatory as to the tactics being used.

Then add in Brawns tactical superiority, especially against the Williams of Hill, and you start to see how the package (Brawn, co-drivers etc.,) was responsible, not the product (M$).

However, you keep your rose tinted spectacles on (my view) and I will keep my blinkers on (your view).

Danny Boy you misquoted me, where did I say superb in this thread!!

And I'm OK with Nico spanking him. I am not advocating that he play #2 at the expense of the team. I do think though if the car is developed towards the way Micheal likes it, it will benefit THE TEAM and they will take several steps forward. And who knows maybe Nico will continue to spank him.

The thing that has become crystal clear this season is that MS was one of the hardest working drivers on the grid and needed all the testing time to be as good as he was and to drive the team forward. Let's face it, the new rules banning testing has definitely been to his detriment, especially after three years out.

One thing though that his hiatus did not hamper was his "superb" ability in striving to keep people behind him in not so orthodox ways as we witnessed in this past race.

Ha, vet man, must of been a glitch with the edit formating, Playlife quoted you and your Montreal comment, but I only quoted Playlife and his quote of superb?

I blame M$, he has obviously put a bug in the system, probably through the chicken voodoo of our Texas Racer, any time there is some disparage over his status as "The Worlds Greatest Ever Driver".

Danny Boy wrote:I well remember Irvine slowing his car by over 2 seconds a lap to hold back Fisichella in his first season (Driving a Jordan Canada? 1997) whilst MS was having his first pit stop), so that pre-dates you for a year. I well remember the race because it was when I logged onto the old dive, and used the name Danny Boy to express my disgust at an Irishman who sold his soul for the Kings Shilling.

It couldn't have been Canada 1997 because Irvine retired on the first lap (same race Olivier smashed his legs). Anyway, if this event did occur in 1997, it wasn't the norm, an exception. I don't recall it happening to be perfectly honest.

Danny Boy wrote:
I would have thought when you out-qualify you team-mate by a fraction of a second, and then pull away at over a second a lap, it would have been self explanatory as to the tactics being used.

When did this happen on a consistant basis?

Danny Boy wrote:
Then add in Brawns tactical superiority, especially against the Williams of Hill, and you start to see how the package (Brawn, co-drivers etc.,) was responsible, not the product (M$).

However, you keep your rose tinted spectacles on (my view) and I will keep my blinkers on (your view).

A team effort it is without a doubt. Just like Clark and Chapman. Without the ingredients, you have nothing.

Danny Boy wrote:

However, you keep your rose tinted spectacles on (my view) and I will keep my blinkers on (your view).

Wouldn't be any fun if we agreed now would it

PLAYLIFE wrote:

Danny Boy wrote:

However, you keep your rose tinted spectacles on (my view) and I will keep my blinkers on (your view).

Wouldn't be any fun if we agreed now would it

Yes it would!